If someone can help me with this question, then it is you! Maybe some of you have already cleared up this stuff.
Other cases have a serial number starting with a 6 (6 millions plus X). What I saw is, that many cases have a serial number starting with a 1 (one million plus X), the lowest number I saw was around 1 million. Is this really all? Were Base Metal Defiance Cases produced from 1947, not earlier?Ĭan the new cases from the 1970s be recognised by specific characters?
The serial numbers do not help very much to clear up the age of a case.Ī Defiance Base metal case may date from any period between 1947, the 1970s and maybe later. Many of the hubs were missing which ruined the deal." I was offered the entire grouping of steel dies with various designs some time after restrike production began. If I remember correctly, these began making the horological scene in the 1970s. (Jon Henson: "Many of the current Star cases are actually restrikes, made from original dies which were purchased from the original company. Those Base-Metal-Defiance cases (like the one of the Elgin sidewinder) were made first in 1947, and in the following years, all of them date not earlier than 1947.Īdditional cases were made from the 1970s on. This warranty is written on the inside of the case back. 'Defiance' was a grade of the Star WCC for a gold-filled case, and a warranty for 10 years.
This was drawn into question- we discussed and ended up with the following: In my first post, I wrote that both the movement and the case may date from the same period and therefore this could be an 'authenitic' sidewinder, which means a new movement cased in anew case soon after production. The discussion is in German, unfortunately, but some pics show the watch. MST 178, the case is from the same material (Nickel-Chrome), it is identically marked with the star and 'base metal', with 'defiance' and with the serial number 1248028 I looked through my collection: It turned out that I have a 'Pilgrim' with a Swiss Meyer & Studeli cal. Additionally, the serial number is embossed on the anterior side of the case (without the first 2 numbers) On the inside of the case back is embossed 'DEFIANCE' in a cartouche and under it the serial number 1594276. The material is most likely Nickel-Chrome. It is made by the Star Watch Case Company, signed on the bottom side of the case (very small) with a five-pointed star and behind that BASE METAL. The focus of interest fell quickly on the case of the watch. 23448151 dating from 1921, cased in a 16S open face case in the Art Deco Railroad style, making a so-called side winder. Some days ago, I posted my new pocket watch. Obscure points are discussed- sometimes surprising facts turn up. This is very helpful to prevent nonsense. If they think, there are mistakes, they post a correction. Other members, some of them experts, look very well what you are writing. I am an also active member on some European forums about pocket watches and I like to post pics of my watches and to tell a bit about them.
I use to look through offers in Ebay USA and from time to time, i can't resist. Many of my pocket watches are from the Art Deco period, and most of them were either fabricated by USA-brands (Waltham, Elgin etc.) or Swiss made for the american market. I have a small collection covering the 19th and 20th century. I live in Switzerland (Europe) and I am an enthusiast of old watches- especially pocket watches. I write this, because I need help in a difficult question (which might be a stupid question, I don't know.):
I am a brandnew member and this is my first thread.įirst excuse my poor english- maybe it is full of mistakes.